I can see leveling guilds for cosmetic addons. Flags for their guildhall, tabards for their members etc...SWTOR had a similar system. I'm against anything other than cosmetic.

@grofire Hate speech does not exist? You have got to be kidding. Racism is the epitome of speech with a root in hatred. A player should not have to endure that kind of language in the game. In fact, there is no place for it in the world either. It is a sad individual who has that much hatred in them.

There has to be safe storage for things in the game. I've already seen what happens when you can lose everything in a raid. Life is Feudal: YO had that. When they implemented judgment hour whole settlements became scorched earth over night. Something that took days/weeks/months to build. Needless to say many of those players just rage quit and never came back. That game took a major nose dive with the forum activity going from too many daily posts to track to almost nothing going on. When people play a game they expect to have fun. Losing everything only to have to restart is no fun. That is why I don't alpha test any more. Having to constantly rebuild after a wipe just gets to tedious for me.

I thought the same thing in the beginning until my son pointed out you can click the header to the forums lol.

I know people like the "realism" and having things take time, but I'd rather the tool immediately process your materials. If this is going to be a waiting game where I have to write down times for things to check I;m not going to be long for the game. I gave up facebook games where everything was set on timers for completion. Life is too short to be waiting on a game to have fun.

@Gothix Sandbox doesn't mean no rules. It means open world with no linear path. You are allowed to go where you want and do what you want. UO is a sandbox and there are plenty of rules governing pvp and other player interactions. The game will crash and burn if there are not rules in place that control griefing.

I was playing Outlands free UO server which started off as fun. But then the pks and thieves started invading and the devs gave in to those same arguments; that the blues just needed to play better. Needless to say the pop of the server plummeted. I personally find players whose only course of gameplay is to hinder other players and laugh as a scourge.

I was just wondering if there is any possibility that city nodes might expand to the underworld? I always liked the idea of the UnderDark in D&D lol.

Merry Christmas to you and everyone else

Hope it starts soon because it seems people are running out of things to talk about lol.

Sounds alot like UO only better. Why should the flags happen without witnesses? Simple, this is a game and not real life. There need to be controls put into place to control griefing.

Loot drops won't be what you think it will be. The system they have now for damage and wear and tear on items most the stuff won't be worth picking up. There isn't a repair system so most items are meant to be replaced often.

@GamerSeuss Yes but if you go into those zones you know to expect pvp. I know in SWG those zones were always deserted. As with most mmos pvp ranks low on the server population. If any of the past games I have played are an indication the vast majority of the players are mostly pve and those that would do pvp from that lot don't want to do it that often and want to do so at their choice, not having it forced upon them. I won't play on the human world if it is open pvp, period. That means two worlds I won't be able to explore. Once I start playing if that is inhibitive to my game progression then I will just drop from the game.

They should just zone it so there is organized pvp. If pvp is allowed everywhere then it is just another pvp world. I don't care what different rules exist it is still pvp all the time.

That's what SWTOR does. All your characters have the same last name. However, you can choose to hide your last name. Another idea I've seen is not allowing a person to join more than one guild on their account. I personally like that one as it keeps players from putting spies into other guilds that may be enemies. Unless they tie IPs to accounts there's really no way to stop players from using multiple accounts to do these things.

My question is why are mouse clicking controls giving them the feel they want. Are they wanting to try to mimic UO or Diablo as much as they can? I'm in the camp that I prefer keyboard movement as well. Mainly because it is just easier and more natural for most mmo players.

@Vollmond That statement contradicts itself. How is someone going to sell high if players are buying low? If sellers can't make it worth their time they have to spend to physically sit on a virtual street corner trying to sell their wares they just won't sell stuff to other players. I can already say now for myself who has been a dedicated crafter in every mmo I have played I won't be doing it.

@GamerSeuss Not having automated vendors will kill commerce for me. I normally play at a time when most players are not online. I definitely don't want to be online trying to peddle my wares. Every mmo I have played has had some kind of market system. SWG had vendors and auction terminals. Even your vendor could be searched so you could locate them making your wares globally advertised. UO had vendors you could sell your items in. Getting customers to them was harder but with quick travel via runes you could bring them right to your vendor. SWTOR has one auction terminal for the entire galaxy. That was my favorite commerce system because if you wanted to buy something you simply went to the terminal and found the item you wanted that anyone was selling.

The idea of having to travel to every city to see who might be selling items on the streets at the exact time I'm playing is a concept that I don't want anything to do with.

I would really like to see npc shops/auction houses that you can just load items into. I do not want to peddle my wares as a vendor in person. That is a huge waste of time plus chat spam from this is horrid. I would like these to be easily maintained so that I can relist unsold items with the click of a button.

There are also other ways to grief without direct PvP. Blue killers were notorious in Trammel. The most used in UO was to lure spawn to players and then hide. Kill stealers, blue healers, I'm sure the list can go on for more examples. Point is how do you control griefing in its many forms? Evil players can hide behind any alignment.

@GamerSeuss I agree with everything you pointed out. One thing I will say is if the human world has complete PvP then it is nothing but another PvP world. There has to be enough restrictions to PvP to make it different from the demon world or PvE players will not go there. I fully expect to hear a huge uproar from the PvP players once the game launches because the demon world will have so little population. It wasn't long after Trammel released in UO and many of the PvP players quit the game because they had no one to bully since all the PvE players moved from Felucia (their demon world). Most PvP players don't want a straight up battle. The big guilds will try to recruit all the best PvP players and then hunt in huge packs basically having no real challenge. Guild wars and other organized PvP events are what I call real PvP game mechanics. PKing is just anti-social behavior that ruins the game in my opinion.

Also aren't evil players allowed to come to the beast world? If that is the case and they can come pk players then there is no true all PvE world. There is no real Trammel in this game if pking is allowed on the PvE world.