@target said in Power gap between r1 and r3 spells is too big (POLL):

@grofire said in Power gap between r1 and r3 spells is too big (POLL):

the developer promise no grinding too, but like Jetah said many times, it doesn't mean their will be no grinding for materials

Jetah and the devs are using different definitions of grinding. At least understand the context and meaning of what the devs are trying to communicate before assuming they're wrong about their own game.

why risk going demon planet? just build your character on t1 spells, since they have no upgrade

Because someone with an optimized build will perform better than you in both PvE and PvP. With the more horizontal system, any advantage you gain will be from your ability to construct a build, which is greatly more rewarding and interesting than pure numerical advantages.

Did you ever play Guild Wars 1? In two of the campaigns, you would hit max level by the end of what was essentially the tutorial island. At that point your main form of progression was unlocking skills. It was really fun exploring the world to find new skill trainers hidden away in remote outposts or hunting monsters that had skills you didn't. It's the most satisfying form of progression I've experienced, and I'm very happy Fractured is doing something in the same spirit.

you know that one need to feel the game before doing such drastic changes

The people who have "felt" the game, the devs, seem to have tested it and decided it's not the direction they wanted to take their game, and have changed it to align more with their design principles, which, up until two days ago, we've been assuming they've been following all along. This change isn't as drastic as you're painting it.

It's all BS... I will not reply anymore, I will try it in the pre Alfa, if I like it, then good if I don't then I try to find other game, this is how I done with AO and this how I do with all games, or you like it or you don't.

@target the developer promise no grinding too, but like @Jetah said many times, it doesn't mean their will be no grinding for materials... every thing need to be balanced, you can't follow an empty understanding like "horizontal progression" with out thinking what it will do mentally to the players...

as as i said before to @Benseine and to you, this will just make people to not go and get the rest of the other spells, why risk going demon planet? just build your character on t1 spells, since they have no upgrade... people need to feel the achieving something by doing quests and runing in the game, i do not mind the progression to be small but changing it to get no progression make no sense.
the only people that will think this change is good (before the last version was even tested) was only the hardcore PVPer and this will serve only them, since you just jump to the game new player or new character pick the cookie cutter build of the meta, and that it you can roll out...

@target said in Power gap between r1 and r3 spells is too big (POLL):

it feel like AO all over

AO has a single server and vertical progression which both seem to be things you want. If neither of these games cater to you, then maybe you just don't like sandbox MMOs?

if it both things i want why im not there ? if it seems i want to play AO why im asking to not making it like AO or better just go and play AO ? the only games i play are sandbox mmo, all the rest have no interest to me, and its weird that you saying something like this, since it seems that you never played an mmo, caused if did, you know that one need to feel the game before doing such drastic changes, that will effect how people playing the game or what they feel.

@benseine as i said a very (very!) small hardcore PVP community....

@target then i will just use a build that do not need to get the (non)upgraded skill, why would i risk going to demon planet with no benefit?
i think this way the game lost all its achievement quality! i think the way it was before was balanced between horizontal progression and sense of achievement.
tell you the truth, this way turn me down hard, and im very disappointed, i fell the last few @Prometheus changes, with several servers and this, come to take care in the very (very!) small community of full hardcore PVP, and that it lost all the balanced that was before, that many think it had.
it feel like AO all over...

@specter OK thanks, just please a week notice, or more it's better.

@prometheus I think it's a mistake, I think this way it won't be interesting to keep looking for knowledge and therefor making the all game boring.

In a different subject can you guys please notice us a week before pre Alfa ? So we get prepared ?

i do not understand how people can say something is too much or too little ?!?!
we do not know how much HP player will get, we do not know how much damage reduction or buff there will be, we do not know how hard to get to t3 spells...
this topic should be only after testing not like this!

and @Benseine 3900 from 1560 is only 150% increase or 250% damage...
since 1560 is 100% then 3900 is 250% total... and not increase.

@Kralith said it perfectly.... the game is horizontal and old and new players can fight and be equal, depending on the skills they choose, so its fine if there is a power increment to each spell.

@jetah i just want it to be notice before time so we can get some time prepared....

@33Hp according to the roudmap, its in October.

we know from the roadmap that its should be this month, but already an half month passed, and to my understanding the pre alfa should be 2 weeks, so that doesn't leave a long time before it start, and it will be hard to prepared for it like this... @Prometheus @Specter can we get at least a week notice before?

why character creation is a thing in an mmorpg ?? from an isometric view point you can't see much.