[-CO-] Crownless Order

EU based, accept all / 18+ (exceptions can be made) / PvP + PvE + Crafts / Humans (+ Beastmen/Demon as we grow) / All alignments / Casual+Semi+Hardcore

(TL;DR version at the end)

About us

Crownless Order is a multigaming communtiy with an interest in various MMOs and other games to have fun in. But do not worry! It isnt all managed by one person, in fact, everyone can lead CO in a game if they get enough people from within or outside of the community for it, this allows us to support every game with relatively unique leadership not shared between more games, but fully dedicated to one single game. Additionally, despite being an evil "multi-gaming" group, we can provide a nice homely atmosphere as all our game channels are hidden behind discord roles, which means you can still get the feeling of a tight knit group as if it was a small discord. With the added benefit of being able to find people, you will already somewhat know, to play with in other games when you want to take a break (for example, we have an active 10-15ppl group, from various games, doing weekly multiplayer sessions in Europa Universalis 4).

Our gaming philosophy can be summed up "Community and fun first". This means we accept everyone and do not force anyone to do stuff they dont want to, doesnt matter if "casual" or "hardcore" or something in between, PvEr or PvPer or Crafter. We believe if people like the community, like the atmosphere and are having fun, they will naturally play more and participate in activities they wouldnt normally do.

Important thing is to have fun, thats why we are all here, isnt it?

About us in Fractured

The CO guild will be primarily playing as humans as it allows us to accommodate and support all possible playstyles our current and future members might have. As (or if) we grow to sufficient size, we will likely include both beastmen and demons within our group. Do not worry about allignments, you will have something fun to do whether you are a good guy or a bad boy. We are open to forming friendships with guilds from all planets (and continents) to provide our members with some friends on these unknown, foreign planets when adventuring outside of their home planets.

We will be playing on EU server, but if you happen to be NA, Asia or Ocenia, but are interested in playing with us, youre more than welcome to join as well. We already have a couple of NAs and atleast one Australian among us

We welcome smaller groups and guilds merging into us. Terms will be up to negotiations to ideally benefit both sides (but we will be one united guild in the long-run). I am sure everyone knows the story with the sticks (The Father, His Sons, and The Bundle of Sticks) to some extend, you can easily break one, but you cant break a bundle. Moral of the story will apply to Fractured just as much.

Our first city: Valhalla.

Leadership, members and the community

Current leadership is devoted to the community treating it as their beloved child brought back to life (which it is as you can find out if you ask about the not so happy history under previous leaderships). Based on previous experience as members, we guarantee active leaders that are open to feedback, discussion etc. with an effort to keep moderation at minimum (keep in mind this requires cooperation from both sides) and a stream-lined hierarchy.

In return, we ask for people to have a community centered mindset and positive attitude, be dependable and initiative, not be afraid to speak up when they feel it is needed, be also willing to listen and learn.

Last but not least, We have cookies .

Click to join Crownless Order Discord

TL;DR version

Who are we and what we plan:

Multigaming community
Forging friendships and bonding over other games as a bonus
While we are "multi-gaming", the game sections are separated by roles so you still get the close-knit feeling as with the small groups. Our goal is to provide a place for people to enjoy gaming and make friends, not to create anonymous horde of unknowns
Both “good” and “evil” players are welcomed, there will be some fun stuff for you to do
Goal is to create a community, a place for all players, both EU, NA and OCE are welcome (but keep in mind we are in EU)
We plan to follow our core philosophy which is along the lines of „fun for all members“ which proved to be better compared to full hardcore/casual approaches, you will not be pressured too hard into doing stuff you dont want to do as long as you participate in the community
Most importantly, have fun, that is why we are all here, isnt it?

What you can expect as a member:
Devoted leadership with experience from various MMOs and communities
Open discussion and participation for all members
Stream-lined hierarchy
Active communication

What is expected of all members:
Community centered mindset
Positive attitude
Dependability and initiative
Willingness to learn and listen
Communication of issues and conflicts
18+ (exceptions can be made)

Amazing job at working so much and so fast.

However, if this is your way of trying to stop the rapidly dropping non-criminal population...I am sorry, but you absolutely blew it. In a bad way. If this is the way you want to continue with Human world, youll have incredibly hard time at keeping the PvE/PvX players on the planet (and interested in the game) in the future, not just this test.

Basically nerfing the good side, while giving many benefits/lowering downsides to the criminal side (and option to abuse it hard with the karma reset) when you already have a massive issue of ganking and PKing making your your non-criminal playerbase leave, that, may i remind you, is needed on the planet as its not Tartaros (even if some ppl think and behave like it )

Since I came here, Syndesia felt a bit off with how it was described. Its meant to be a place for PvP and PvE, but pretty much only thing stopping it from being pure PvP is a criminal system that criminal guilds will just ignore (kinda like real life, laws only matter if you follow them, ignore the syndesia criminal system hard enough and youre turning it into tartaros).

In my eyes, thats no mix between the two extremes, thats Tartaros-Lite (or Tartaros-medium ).

Arboreus is PvErs dream and all the pure PvErs will be there, not on Syndesia.
Tartaros is PvPers dream and all the pure PvPers will be there, not on Syndesia.
But what is Syndesia? Its not the middleground for PvXers. We can already see it in the Alpha. Its just green-er Tartaros with "go in the corner, son!" system.

So i propose this radical idea:

Slightly change the looting on Syndesia. Only Inventory+"Other" (like a cart) or Equipped items being lootable on Syndesia (only one of the two, not both).

You can choose what you want to loot on your kill. Did you catch him gathering resources naked or trader travelling to another city => Tasty inventory+cart loot. Came across someone with plate armor (or other higher tier items) => loot the equipped items.

Obviously this would break the idea of Demons (the only PvP race) raiding, so to keep that design or actually,better, promote that design and playstyle, Demons should be the only ones capable of+being the victim of full loot on Syndesia.

This way, Syndesia would be able to get its own identity and be a unique planet instead of almost an afterthought of "what should we do with the ones who like both playstyles?" and keep its Pv+PvP design.

Disclaimer just to be sure: This is an idea only for Syndesia, it wouldnt change your pure PvP paradise on Tartaros, if anything, it would promote the playstyle of demons.

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EDIT: Extra idea from Fractured discord:

Lootability based on red names in your vicinity. One bad guy => more loot open (not full). Loads of bad guys => very little to no loot available from the body. Very effective at stopping zergs.

(I still stand by the partial loot for Syndesia as described above, but this sounded like a good idea to include in it as well)

EDIT2: My idea doesnt have to be the "one and only" you agree or disagree, add yours too. ill try to edit some in (the sensible ones that would promote the "real balance" between PvE and PvP, not "free for all" etc).

EDIT3: So its visible from GamerSeuss => "then get a display of what the character has and the looter can pick X items, be they equipment or inventory, with multiple looters being limited to just 1 Item each. This, plus all the gold on hand would be fair" Combining that with mine above would work great too. Actual compromise.

EDIT4: Another idea ive seen in discords, one was to combine "guild war declarations" into my partial loot system idea, where the declaration would allow full loot between enemies. Since Tartaros is the individual "survival of the fittest" PvP, it makes sense to gear Syndesia towards the Group vs Group gameplay, combining partial loot (for individual and criminal PvP) and full loot (for Group v Group PvP) would be a great way to handle it.

EDIT5, Trik idea: When an evil player knocks down a random player out in the wild they get gold or jewelry that player might have on them, you know like a normal robbery. Karma hit commensurate to the value of the 3 possible things looted. Rings / gold that can be grabbed by evil players. Knocked down player still has their gear and normal pack. You can probably reduce penalties since no one is actually dying. Could leave in full loot for GvG / Sieges / factions / bounty system sheriffs if you want.
Possibly let them take the weapon the player is actively holding. Making it pockets / jewelry / equipped weapon. You know things easily taken from a robbed person.

It is my great pleasure to announce the city of Valhalla Atrium for the upcoming Spring Alpha test.

A dream of peace and prosperity born of diplomacy, teamwork and cooperation between Crownless Order (international worldwide), New Order (international) and Phoenix (german).

To continue in the spirit surrounding its foundation, it is open to all, player and guilds alike, none shall be turned away. (But youll be whacked over the head if youre naughty)

Good luck to all reading this and have fun

Update: Now without a password!

Heyo,

I'll do bit of a proper introduction. Im LonelyCookie, one of the many MMO-deprived people. Originally, I completely ignored Fractured as I felt like its not my type of a game at all, but the lack of MMOs is painfully real so I decided to give a chance (that doesnt mean Im convinced, on the contrary, very sceptical ). I'll try to get more people from my community to atleast take a look at Fractured, hopefully wont be hard to attract atleast a couple of eyes out of over 600ppl.

Something about me from real life, Im in my early 20s, university student of air traffic/transport (Yes, I know, current situation really promises me a "great" future Q_Q ), eh, theres actually not much to say. As for my gaming life, earliest gaming memory I have is playing some adventure with Winnie the Pooh, Serious Sam and Stronghold (great combo of games, I know) when I was around 5-6years old, been MMOs for last 12ish years which got me into various guild managing, which leads to my best accomplishment I'm most proud of, and thats leading and building a community I love to play with that I mentioned before.

See you all ingame...one day (I hope).

@WaterMerchant said in Winter Alpha Spotlight – City Overhaul:

@LilCassiopeia
It always amazes me the lengths PvE only players will go to play a game they don't enjoy. Despite having multiple PvE centered MMO's all with bigger budgets and dev teams than fractured you still insist on playing the indie full loot PvP mmo. No one is forcing you to do anything you made the decision to get involved yourself. And before you start asserting "High end resources being in PvP zones" being a problem please take a step back and consider that this Full loot PvP mmo is probably not for you and you might find WoW, ESO or even FFXIV all PvE MMO's with higher budgets will be more up your alley.

Did you miss the part of Fractured that has pretty much PvE-only planet? It always amazes me the lenghts fanatic PvPers are willing to go to make themselves feel superior, ruin it for everyone else and even twist and forget the already established game mechanics such as a PvE planet. Noone is forcing you to play with PvErs, so kindly go to Tartarus and PvP to your hearts content Three races, Three gameplays

whisper Did you know PvE Arboreus is designed as the biggest planet from the get-go and Tartarus as the smallest? Even devs know where most of the community falls on the PvP-PvE spectrum.

Time to do my part here as well and not only discord. Sooooo...

Lets start with the good stuff.

1. I like the reduction of number of cities. It is bit drastic going from 120 to 30-something, but atleast the cities are not one-pump-chumps (I assume the territory has more than one resource in its borders now)

2. Compression of the wilderness plots into residential areas around the cities. Will make the cities more alive without forcing solos to join guilds.

Now onto the bad stuff.

1. Enemies within our territories. Thats just a massive no-no. There has to be a blacklist system on guilds and individuals (accounts) where we can ban specific accounts and guilds from using the processing/crafting stations and living in the territory.

2. Everyone being allowed everywhere. Previous system was extremely guild-centric, current one basically takes away any reason to have a city. Why stress yourself (and it is stressful to have a city, be it as a vice/governor or guild leader) when you just ignore all of it and basically function as a leech. Just...why bother So, here I propose a change to it to satisfy the guilds and keep the solos untouched while keeping the "new cities".

Allow us to set how open our territory is. Closed - Selective - Open. Combined with incentive system with bonuses for guilds that go Open such as buff to HP/dmg, significantly lower upkeeps, advantage during defense sieges (e.g less attackers allowed in battles), with such incentives, I belive most guilds would, at the very least, choose not be to closed.

Closed obviously...closed, basically "citizen-only" option. They would end up hurting themselves in the long run, no bonuses + lack of wide industrial/crafter base.
Selective...only some options closed and some open, such as solos allowed in residential area, but not allowed to use crafting stations.
Open obviously...opened. Anyone can settle in residential, anyone can use the stations etc.

I feel like this would work really well, blacklisting for enemies (thus not worrying about them) and incentives to stay as open to solos and randoms as our insecurities allow

I am a person that tries to avoid unneccessary PvP and kill-on-sight as it just creates toxicity everywhere, but jesus, under the new (and IF unchanged) system, theres no way to live peacefully anymore. Kill on sight will be the go-to mindset, resulting in even more pain for the solos/randoms//tiny guilds than before. Pleeeease, consider changing it to accomodate both (maybe as I suggested above ), because right now, it helps noone, but it will hurt everyone

EDIT: Alternatively, incentive system can be turned on its head, and put debuffs on the Closed. Debuff to HP/dmg, higher upkeeps, disadvantage at defense sieges. Buuuut...I feel like using sugar and not a whip always works better (unless youre into it...kinky)

Copy paste from the other (same) topic https://forum.fracturedmmo.com/topic/13248/first-impressions-on-the-new-city-system (im not typing the same stuff again). Sorry if it might sound a bit unrelated to the convos above, but...its about the same topic and problems as here.

Time to do my part here as well and not only discord. Sooooo...

Lets start with the good stuff.

1. I like the reduction of number of cities. It is bit drastic going from 120 to 30-something, but atleast the cities are not one-pump-chumps (I assume the territory has more than one resource in its borders now)

2. Compression of the wilderness plots into residential areas around the cities. Will make the cities more alive without forcing solos to join guilds.

Now onto the bad stuff.

1. Enemies within our territories. Thats just a massive no-no. There has to be a blacklist system on guilds and individuals (accounts) where we can ban specific accounts and guilds from using the processing/crafting stations and living in the territory.

2. Everyone being allowed everywhere. Previous system was extremely guild-centric, current one basically takes away any reason to have a city. Why stress yourself (and it is stressful to have a city, be it as a vice/governor or guild leader) when you just ignore all of it and basically function as a leech. Just...why bother So, here I propose a change to it to satisfy the guilds and keep the solos untouched while keeping the "new cities".

Allow us to set how open our territory is. Closed - Selective - Open. Combined with incentive system with bonuses for guilds that go Open such as buff to HP/dmg, significantly lower upkeeps, advantage during defense sieges (e.g less attackers allowed in battles), with such incentives, I belive most guilds would, at the very least, choose not be to closed.

Closed obviously...closed, basically "citizen-only" option. They would end up hurting themselves in the long run, no bonuses + lack of wide industrial/crafter base.
Selective...only some options closed and some open, such as solos allowed in residential area, but not allowed to use crafting stations.
Open obviously...opened. Anyone can settle in residential, anyone can use the stations etc.

I feel like this would work really well, blacklisting for enemies (thus not worrying about them) and incentives to stay as open to solos and randoms as our insecurities allow

I am a person that tries to avoid unneccessary PvP and kill-on-sight as it just creates toxicity everywhere, but jesus, under the new (and IF unchanged) system, theres no way to live peacefully anymore. Kill on sight will be the go-to mindset, resulting in even more pain for the solos/randoms//tiny guilds than before. Pleeeease, consider changing it to accomodate both (maybe as I suggested above ), because right now, it helps noone, but it will hurt everyone

Alternatively, incentive system can be turned on its head, and put debuffs on the Closed. Debuff to HP/dmg, higher upkeeps, disadvantage at defense sieges. Buuuut...I feel like using sugar and not a whip always works better (unless youre into it...kinky)

@Prometheus said in Year of release:

@Deathruler said in Year of release:

steam doesn't allow them to publish a year later than 2021 and got pretty disappointed to be honest

Hmm what did you mean? Beta (=Steam Early Access) launch should be coming this year indeed, so the "2021" date on Steam stands.

Please...no

Pleeeease, reconsider this. Its a suicide. Steam beta will draw a lot of people to it, people that will give it exactly one chance. While we might criticise, we are still early adopters and believers Those people will be savage and tear you apart.

Theres no coming back from botched early access. All it takes is a simple bad launch, even for a day. Even as early access. And we all know the launch trackrecord for the tests has been...not good so far

Take your time please We can survive till 2022. Or atleast keep first half of the beta phase here on the website, without involving Steam.

Yes, yes and yes.

If Syndesia is to be its own planet, it either needs to radically change the current style of Tartaros-like open world PvP it has or just abandon it in favor of the political one.

However, I would suggest not making it "guild politics" but city politics. Instead of guild members being attackable, it should be citizen+residents. Just guild members (or just citizens) would be way too easily abuseable. And with that, real solo players can be untouchable to a large extent (obviously like 1-2week cooldown before they can rejoin to stop mechanic abuse).

daily boop

With Sieges nowhere to be seen at the end of the month of a roughly month-long test that had sieges as one of its highlights, its time to bump this thread again and point out how harming the current testing setup is to the game, trust of its community and developers health .

Not to mention, its very unhealthy for the developers to be in neverending cycles of stress, very harsh deadlines and 12+hr workdays/weekends. Every test is the same, promising features for next test and Prometheus overworking himself every time.

Prometheus, please, change how testing is done. I am/We are asking this for good of the game and your own health and well-being.

Edit: With this, im going back to my sleepy slumber, if you react to me, expect an answer within a week or two when i look on the forums again

@Prometheus said in Meridian's Spring 2021 Alpha test feedback - OPEN DISCUSSION ENCOURAGED!:

• Immediate residential disintegration: it only takes a couple hours to farm the 1000 units of gold needed for weekly maintenance, it's fair that if you don't even play for a couple hours for 1 week you lose the claim.

Summer/winter vacations (usually 1-2weeks?), university exam periods are usually a month at minimum, before-christmas chaos when people are going overtime at work for weeks. So many things that basically not allow people to play at all, let alone "couple hours". Games with complete disregard for "real life" tend to be...not the most prosperous.

Since I agree with some (mostly regarding directly cities like size or instant resident decay or abuses) and disagree with a lot (everything else like fast travel, prisons or food scarcity) of what Alexian wrote above but have very little time to go in detail, imma just skip it to what annoys me the most on this thread On the disagree parts...I am simply not a fan of "second job/like real life" games. Games should be enjoyed, not suffered.

@Rife said in Meridian's Spring 2021 Alpha test feedback - OPEN DISCUSSION ENCOURAGED!:

Jails with playtime sentences : I dont think playtime should ever be a sentence because it's similar to a soft ban.

Killing PvErs and full looting them soft bans them from content they want to do just as jailing you soft bans you from content you want to do. As many PvPers love to say to complaining PvErs: "Its part of the game, deal with it". Play with fire, suffer by fire. Actually, suffer more as the perpetrator of 'evil' on neutral planet.

Bump for Prometheus after 8days

Having specialized cities sounds cool in theory but is the worst thing you can do. Noone will be in a city where he cant get what he wants. Youre essentially breaking up entire guilds with this (this=current tech tree to small extent and what you propose quite a lot). Just like only a small minority will trade or travel hours (and thats not even counting on all the PK along the way) somewhere else to get gear they want, most will just go "oh, fck this". We already see this behaviour with PvP so why promote Fractured going on full self-dectructive mode even more?

Result? People quitting or youre breaking up guilds.

Instead, let cities be able to get everything, but force specialization on efficiency. Faster smelting, needing less material for same output, smaller refiners with same output to save town space etc., you still put massive emphasis on large cities, without crippling everything else. "Less hard locking, more soft modifiers"

Edit: Good idea (for everyone) would be to get their heads down from the clouds back on the ground. Great idea doesnt always translate into healthy and good game mechanic. Going from unicorns-filled theory to grim real world is harsh as we have already seen with PvP

@Prometheus said in Is this Alpha just PVP development:

@Vialli said in Is this Alpha just PVP development:

@Prometheus this alpha had the chance for people to play for the whole month, unfortunately this alpha is over for a lot of people already. A lot of players are suffocated because they can’t access content due to large PVP groups killing anyone they cross.

Yes, as I've said before, we are aware and we are planning solutions, but that's not something we can deliver before the end of the test sadly.

Please be aware that all testing phases for backers last for 1 month (at least). This one (Spring Alpha) is the 7th one we have and there will be more

Can you atleast say what are the planned solutions? Not exactly what you will do, just what aspects its supposed to change etc.? We have a saying here, "Slibem nezarmoutíš" which (brutal translation) is roughly "Cant do any wrong with a promise". (Maybe found english version of it "To promise the Moon.").

No offense, but without any specifics its like something the bigger devs and publishers love to do sadly "just calm them down, dont anger the rest", it kinda feels like an easy way to calm the angry PvE/PvP people, without making the criminal/ganker people angry, only to let it eventually be forgotten

Have you seen Ostaffs thread about better Alpha system and how to make them more effective and active? https://forum.fracturedmmo.com/topic/13882/new-alpha-testing-methodology-recommended

"Why Syndesia?"

Because this: Syndesia is designed for those looking for a balance between PvE and PvP, strict rules to prevent senseless griefing, and a competitive environment ruled by opposing guilds and alliances. (Wiki)

"Why not Syndesia?" (and actually, "Why not Fractured", Im not a demon PvPer and Im not a beastmen PvEr)

Because we have nothing of the above, not the balance (very pro-PvP planet, supported by PvP-centric devs, almost acting like theres meant to be no PvP planet), there are no strict rules to prevents anything (and to make it worse, those rules are being made looser to cater to PvP), there is not competetive environment between guilds and alliances, its all "everyone vs ganking PvPers".

Overall, devs seem to be confused about what they even want on this planet. First they move from many "guild based" cities to big "multi guild+solo" cities to support the solo/small guild playstyle and im all for it. Next thing they do is unrestricted open world criminal PvP that is by essence anti-solo and even anti-group/small guild, after hearing how bad it is for anyone who isnt a criminal, make changes that are in favor of the criminals. Solution to the cries of the non-criminal players? "Just group up with 10ppl to protect yourself" (<= this doesnt even help, there are 10+ PK hordes running around). Do you see the irony here, "support solo play" and this?

The idea of Syndesia was amazing, let all play, have systems to prevent the worst, whats there not to love right? I was excited for the game. Except the most predictable thing happened, once you introduce it to practice and combine with hardcore PvP, it all breaks. How Syndesian PvP is now, is broken to its core, trying to tweak a flawed system wont solve anything, but take valuable devtime with no solution. Go back to the drawing board. Please.

@Trug said in Patch Log - v.a.2.5.1b + Moderation News:

I really appreciate the moderation focus. The toxic chat had gotten to the point where I'd just muted the Discord and stayed off of the game, it was that unpleasant. I was having flashbacks to Last Oasis, the last game I really liked that was totally ruined by toxic, racist trash talkers. Glad to see that Fractured is taking it seriously!

Shouldnt even be suprising as its many of the same people that made that game into a toxic wasteland

Amazing job at working so much and so fast.

However, if this is your way of trying to stop the rapidly dropping non-criminal population...I am sorry, but you absolutely blew it. In a bad way. If this is the way you want to continue with Human world, youll have incredibly hard time at keeping the PvE/PvX players on the planet (and interested in the game) in the future, not just this test.

Basically nerfing the good side, while giving many benefits/lowering downsides to the criminal side (and option to abuse it hard with the karma reset) when you already have a massive issue of ganking and PKing making your your non-criminal playerbase leave, that, may i remind you, is needed on the planet as its not Tartaros (even if some ppl think and behave like it )