Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?

[miikiious]

We have or will have, Abominations for beastman and angels for demons, will humans have thier own?
If demons can change into angels, will there be bonuses or special forms for demons that fulfill thier purpose and go down the road of complete evil.
Will being lawful, true or chaotic have any impact on those?

[Lightspoon]

For Humans there is the Lich transformation, that was one of the Kickstarter's stretch goals (already unlocked).
We currently don't have any hints about how you can unlock it, but it'll probably be something pretty long to achieve like Abomination and Angel morphs.

[Eurav]

@miikiious said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

will there be bonuses or special forms for demons that fulfill thier purpose and go down the road of complete evil.

There is no special form for demons to be evil. Demons are already as evil as can be

@miikiious said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

Will being lawful, true or chaotic have any impact on those?

I think we don´t really have info if and how those will have impact on the game.

[Cinnao]

Humans don't change with Karma. I'm pretty sure you can choose to be a good or bad Lich.

[Dragomok]

So @Lightspoon and @Eurav already addressed the part regarding Humans, so I'm going to address this one:

@miikiious said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

If demons can change into angels, will there be bonuses or special forms for demons that fulfill thier purpose and go down the road of complete evil.

I think you're missing the point here.

The way I see it, each race, and each alignment, represent a different mode of play:

• Demons and evil alignment are PvP,
• Humans and neutral alignment are mixed PvP/PvE,
• Beasts Beastfolk Beastmen and good alignment are PvE.

Therefore, turning a Demon into an Angel is all about taking a PvP-only character and converting it to PvE, while turning a Beastwoman Beastman into an Abomination is all about taking a PvE-only character and converting it to PvP.

In other words, it's all about the challenge of taking direct and deliberate actions against your default mode of play. This requires dedication, forethought and - judging by what we know so far - skill. If it didn't require that, there would be no challenge, it would give no bragging rights, and would be completely pointless.

For contrast, picking a Demon (ie. a PvP race) and "fulfilling their purpose" by "going down the road of complete evil" (ie. doing a lot of PvP) is a complete no-brainer. Giving extra rewards for doing that would either lead to them being:

• (if they were tied to non-leaderboard-dependent conditions) an obligatory reward that everyone but the people going against the grain has to earn, which would be dangerously close to obligatory grind,
• (if they were tied to leaderboards) permamently locked to top X% of players, which could lead to toxicity, as well as funneling a lot of players to try to constantly optimise for the narrow set of things that define being in top X%, which would be bad for sandbox feel of the game.

So no, I don't see that happening.

[Eurav]

@cinnao said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

Humans don't change with Karma. I'm pretty sure you can choose to be a good or bad Lich.

I am pretty sure it was once said that most likely Lichs will be neutral alignment and get bonus an in int (maybe also in Necromancy), while maybe loosing some strength or other attributes. But yeah, when you are neutral you can choose ur playstyle

[kellewic]

@eurav said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

@cinnao said in Will humans be able to change with karma like demons and beastman?:

Humans don't change with Karma. I'm pretty sure you can choose to be a good or bad Lich.

I am pretty sure it was once said that most likely Lichs will be neutral alignment and get bonus an in int (maybe also in Necromancy), while maybe loosing some strength or other attributes. But yeah, when you are neutral you can choose ur playstyle

When a Human becomes a Lich they retain their karma and alignment.

[miikiious]

@dragomok I think that's exactly what i wanted to know, just got into the game so all my knowledge comes from the time it took me to browse wiki to set up my hero haha

Thanks to all of you who replied

[Dragomok]

@miikiious Glad my explanation was useful.

[Gothix]

Just mind that (as far as we know for now) all transformations will be permanent.

So once you become an angel, abomination or lich, there is no returning back to old form.

[miikiious]

@gothix I don't think they can be permament, would be a strange choice. I mean what would actually stop you from getting bad karma from PVP as an angel. It would be quite a contradition to play as an evil angel haha

[Target]

@miikiious It was confirmed in a Q&A. Angels can't accrue negative karma because they're forced into good alignment which doesn't allow them to commit evil actions.

[Dybuk]

@miikiious

Exactly as @Target said. Turning into an Angel will not be an easy deed. To become one you have to show your faith and dedication for one of the gods with good alignment. This alone makes Angels to be quite a zealots - they are unable to even think about commiting a sin
Of course a sin in the eyes of their god. I do not mean bad language or bad behavior.