Support/Bard Type Archetypes?
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It’s not out of the realm of belief that those few with multiple accounts won’t choose to sub as well. I know for me personally if I play for a decent amount of time a few subscriptions isn’t a big deal. I’ve routinely covered sub costs for parts of my gaming community. My point was if there’s an advantage to be had people will push for that advantage sub, or otherwise despite the possible costs associated with said choices.
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i agree and i believe the start of the game will be the biggest benefit of the sub. at least as it was advertised.
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Unless there's a lot of grinding involved into creating a decent slavebuffer, the current premium bonuses are not really worth it on alts (at least not for me). In Albion you can only multibox premium characters, but that's not a problem with people who own multiple machines.
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@Razvan said in Support/Bard Type Archetypes?:
Unless there's a lot of grinding involved into creating a decent slavebuffer, the current premium bonuses are not really worth it on alts (at least not for me). In Albion you can only multibox premium characters, but that's not a problem with people who own multiple machines.
you have to unlock the sklls and rank. so having the VIP at the beginning should help boost your chances of getting that skill/rank faster.
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@Jetah said in Support/Bard Type Archetypes?:
you have to unlock the sklls and rank. so having the VIP at the beginning should help boost your chances of getting that skill/rank faster.
Yes, but most likely buying the game comes with a month of premium. I haven't seen a b2p game with premium that doesn't do that. And even if that's not the case, it still makes little sense having premium on alts in the long term.
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@Savitr devs stated that equipement will be easily replacable and creating another account just to get buffs anytime i wanted sounds little too overcomplicated to me - why not go on raid with other guild mates, if each one slots aoe buff, such thing wouldn´t be neccessary
Also there´s no need to have crafting alt, as everyone can craft anything anytime (maybe enchanting alt, but again what are guildmates for ?).
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@asspirin I think the point is exponential gain, which can be accumulated no matter the sample size. That’s before you take into account cross race alts. Ultimately everything you listed can be achieved but could still benefit from multi boxing/multi-accounts if they allow it.
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@asspirin said in Support/Bard Type Archetypes?:
@Savitr devs stated that equipement will be easily replacable
This doesn't mean all gear will be cheap.
@asspirin said in Support/Bard Type Archetypes?:
and creating another account just to get buffs anytime i wanted sounds little too overcomplicated to me - why not go on raid with other guild mates, if each one slots aoe buff
If buffs scale with stats, then you want a dedicated buffer and I'd rather bring my own slave buffer than another player (no time wasted on finding an extra party member, plus less people to share loot with).
@asspirin said in Support/Bard Type Archetypes?:
Also there´s no need to have crafting alt, as everyone can craft anything anytime (maybe enchanting alt, but again what are guildmates for ?).
We don't know how crafting will work, but anyway you mostly use alts for scouting. When farming in a dungeon you can let the scout outside to check if anyone comes in - this way you can farm with expensive gear without risking it. During zvz, multiple people will have naked characters spread around the keypoints to check for enemy. Same with naked toons around world bosses.
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If buffs scale with stats, then you want a dedicated buffer and I'd rather bring my own slave buffer than another player
If buffs scale from stats, then those stats will be INT and CHA. As damage of some spells depend on luck (in case of fireball difference between min and max luck roll is 50% damage), nuker casters will max PER, INT and CHA, so every caster will sure be able buffer. And inf not nuker, then pet masters - those will sure be even better buffers, as they can totally neglect PER and just specialise on CHA for buffs and heals. If equipment will not give bonuses to abilities, enchants on it will not matter.
This doesn't mean all gear will be cheap.
ofc perfectly enchanted item will be valuable, but as everything will wear off eventually, it should be replacable (I wonder how big difference will be between basic primitive item and perfect "magic metal" enchanted item (my guess is 50% of offectivity which is imo bad, but at least there´s something to look forward to).
naked toons
Im probably simpleton, but this is again way too complicated, i´d rather pick invis dude (and every assassin and their mom will sure have at least one invisibility ability). But you´re sure right.
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@asspirin
I see your point, but then you have to find a nuker who has all the necessary buffs, bla bla. Then sometimes you have to solo or duo. It's more convenient to have your own bufferslave - it only costs about 25€ and you have it forever. This is my perspective, of course, but from my experience in other games most people who play long term have multiple accounts.PS: 50% is a huge difference. Even if it's more like 20%, the clear-time greatly improves when you account for 3-4 DPS.
PPS: Please don't insult me thinking I'd ever invite summoners to my farming parties. :))
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@Razvan Ok, then Im simpleton AND lazy guy
It does make sense, but for me it´s just a game and I dont have time to grind 2 chars to be more viable (tbh do have time to play hour a day :D), I´ll just go "honest" way and hope for best.50% is a huge difference. Even if it's more like 20%, the clear-time greatly improves when you account for 3-4 DPS.
Devs stated difference between tier 1 weapons (primitive) and tier 2 weapons (steel or some metal) is like 20+% damage, so the best metal with strongest enchant will sure be way stronger, woudn´t be surprised to see 50% bigger numbers (but then it absolutelly goes against "horizontal progression").
Please don't insult me thinking I'd ever invite summoners to my farming parties. :))
My apologies
But if one goes nuker way with high CHA, why not have a tank for free, when possible 
will high CHA character have anything to compensate, if he goes non-pet way (maybe reduce luck if you pick pets or raise it if you dont)?
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@Razvan One more thing - lets use this skill as example. Even with 25 charisma, it only lasts one minute. Will it really be worth it to reapply buffs every minute considering some bigger monsters will last forever to kill (in alpha some guys didn´t die in 4 minutes, others killed you in 10 seconds, buffs wouldn´t do much anyway
)And in pvp - if you go on another planet, why risk getting both guys killed (enemy just gets the fame but anyway), good guys on Tartaros are visible to everyone for example. And if you get your main ganked in the wild while youre controling the (naked) buffer, every second counts, would be bad if you switched to your main when hes already almost dead
Also some buffs will probably be "aura" so buffer needs to be close to you, will you control them both at once? Even if this was possible, I´d rather concentrate on my main ... or tame some pet, who would buff me
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I used to play Lineage 2 with 4 characters at once when it was sub-based (tank, 2 archers, buffer). Me and my buddy basically run a full party together. Does this answer your question?
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@Razvan I give up
