Posts made by Xzoviac

@Azraelius is that the one you start off on a blimp that gets taken down and you have to find stuff to repair it? i never got every far on that game lol

@OwlsaneGaming the mask made me think of hollow (bleach), its ace though good job

@Drekkennought so as long as it's not pay 2 win (what i have been saying) the amount of people who care is less then I believe?, so if it is pay to win, ( the reason for the topic)
The amount of people who will care is the amount I think?

Cheers for pointing that out

@Kansei said in VIP / Shop and my random thoughts:

Maybe I've been under a rock but I feel like there hasn't been an issue with prices. Everything has seemed fair and nothing out of proportion.

Have we got details on what is inside the cash shop then?, as that is what we are talking about, could you post a link? I'd like to look

Snuggle pop turnip drop

@Meiki unfortunately I can only compare the things I have knowledge of that are similar, I dont know any small mmo company's off the top of my head, let alone ones That show a successful cash shops that players are also overall happy with.

@Jetah said in Game shop opinion:

is difficult to make it worthwhile and not mandatory.

I agree its difficult but, as consumers we have come to accept and make excuses for company's saying, no one will buy game shop stuff unless its , op gives stats makes the game easier , has some kind of gamble box , or adds new content.

I Truly believe

New Ui,
new music Voice over lines
Mounts , pets
Magic Animations
Walk animations
attack animations
Character models
Things like these will make insane money,
these make a game more interesting, make people want to buy them, and Whales that are supper enthusiastic about the game will literally buy them all,

The problem is it takes more effort then adding a bag restriction, and then having to pay to add a number to your account (yay i now have 40 bag slots)

I cant be the only person that judges a game company by how much its willing to screw its player base for money?

@Meiki I understand your point but even if DOTA was not run by Valve, https://www.statista.com/statistics/807617/dota-2-revenue/

230mill was its lowest year in that graph ... don't think a Small company needs more then that to run its servers and make a profit , this is just off cosmetics,
I get DOTA is way more popular, but this shows a cosmetic shop works and is highly profitable

If FRACTURED is a great game it will become just as popular, it does not matter if its a big company or not. (using mine craft as my evidence for this claim)

@Dev

@Dev said in VIP / Shop and my random thoughts:

Ah guys. What do you want?

You don’t want subscriptions? - fine
You don’t want a ridiculous high one time fee? - fine
You don’t want any kind of true benefit from a real money shop? - fine
You don’t want many paid addons? - fine
You don’t want cosmetics at a ridiculous price? - fine

So... who pays the developers and servers? Do you think that running on AWS or any cloud provider is ‘cheap’? They have to keep their tools updated, buy licenses, external people. Pay the studio rooms, employees and just everything else.

It may have worked for a ‘giant’ company with a Publisher like GuildWars, but I’m pretty sure they had way more funding money and owned/purchased the hardware. That kept the recurring cost way lower. Having more employees and creating two paid (full price!) expansions per year, was then mandatory to stay afloat. And if you calculate that, it’s around 2*39€ per year, if you wanted to stay with the competition and get the latest classes and content. The base game also started with around 45€. Hm... thats around 80€/12Months which is ~6,70€ if you make it a monthly fee.

Now it’s time to remember, that fractured is an absolute niche game. It might grow out of it, but right now only a couple people in my circles are remotely interested at all. Most dislike the iso2D and all that farming/collecting/‘skilling’. It looks outdated on the first glance of an inexperienced person. Why do you think the currently raised amount is so ‘low’? Even though much of it was due to lack of advertising and marketing... And now people just say: ‘Ah. Let’s wait if they complete it before I spend money’.

Looking at the currently biggest competitor (Albion) the VIP/Premium nets you quite some benefits, but its totally playable without it. It speeds things up but does not yield into any direct advantage during battles. Most people have no problem with paying that money, as a yearly subscription is below 5€/pMonth so not even 5$ a month - for a game which continues to get enhanced, maintained and free(!) content-updates. No requirements to buy the game itself, no paid AddOns. If its not worth that one time ice-cream or pack of cigarettes per month, how is it worth you invest HOURS upon HOURS into it? And you/your friends can still do exactly that. Play for absolutely free and get the premium through inGame-Currency - if you even need it.

The reason not all of the ‘cheaper’ packs are sold out, is due to the fact that the benefits are nice, but (at least for me) not interesting. I’ve spent around 120€ on the EliteDangerous - LifetimeExpansionPass, simply to support the games development and get a return in the long-run. Did not have to buy a single AddOn and so it pays for itself. Would love to get the Knights-Package but eh... VIP will be a sad story with 0 benefits and takes years to remotely pay itself off, if I even play it that long and it ever completes development. Also I couldn’t care less about the Title (as you get better sounding ones from the Foundation (IMHO)) and inGame-Gold.

But all this ‘uhhh do not make this’, ‘don’t sell that’, ‘the VIP bonuses should be below 5%’ and so on... it will only kill Fractured in the long run. There are and will always be some CashCows and hardcore fans to invest a lot of money, but it might just not be enough. Most people are cheapskates and would not pay a dime if they could - but giving them just one small disadvantage, will bring them to the forums, crying how crappy everything is. Get a job maybe?

So... let’s close my rant with this:

You get what you pay for - Why shouldn’t the developer’s?

I understand you want this company to Succeed (so do I) first off to counter your argument about "uhh do not make this , do not sell this" - assuming its about the thread i opened yesterday? GameShopOpinion
Online games - can use Cosmetic to fund online services , take a look at DOTA (its completely free apart from cosmetics)

But to get in to the grit of your post, wanting the company to succeed?
Im gonna tell you my opinion on why Cash shops need to be very careful, because a bad cash-shop Modle, One that makes the company look greedy or puts must buy items in to the cash shop to stop the game being monotonous (Grind or pay options)

P2Win actually hurts games , and the modern gamer has just come to accept it as if we have no choice
P2W games will become frustrating at some point and will in most cases punish players who don't use the Cash shop, Causing people to leave

Do you like being scammed? - buying a game then being forced to spend another 50 quid on bag upgrades bag weight improvements on every char , because "devs gotta eat"
What sort of Elitist mentality of player do you think this brings?

Do you enjoy fair game play?, think about it long and hard , do you actually want the people that can only afford to buy the game once (and not sub) to stop playing because with out game shop subs the game is pointless?, less players = worse economy , worse community , higher risk of the game dyeing
And if you don't care about community then, well, you aren't really an MMO player

A company's image and values, is worth a hundred times more then money.
I understand your fear that the game wont stay afloat unless it has some minor p2w
but the power of cosmetics is all you need - take a look at maple story 2.

If you would like to hear someone explain it better, I know they are free to play mmos but like you said Fractured is a niche, so if it doent get a huge player base it likely will go free 2 play as well

@Pwnstar said in Game shop opinion:

@Xzoviac said in Game shop opinion:

This is a buy to play game and imo should feel like a full game that doesn't need any pay for addons to enjoy.

The thing is, this is an MMO with monthly server costs. A one time payment doesn't help with on-going costs. They need some way to get people to pay more than the purchase price of the game, and that means putting attractive value into any monthly subscription.

Maple story, DOTA and CS:GO mange just fine with only cosmetics in store being online games with server costs. - a few of the top of my head

Re: suggestion on attracting huge mass of new players to buy FracturedMMO

I hope fractured make subing feel worthwhile but not mandatory.
I think focusing on cosmetic changes like being able to dye armour mounts pets weapons special idle animation and cool looking magic effects
plus a small amount of game shop gold to save up for cosmetics
Do not have convenience items such as faster leveling more resources collection things that you have to have to have to be competitive this should not be in the vip.
This is a buy to play game and imo should feel like a full game that doesn't need any pay for addons to enjoy

@Tuoni ESO has the same optional subs as well but the infinite crafting bag is to much to pass on so it's a must to anyone playing properly

Rockgoblin can't waaaaait

@Tuoni as players get to know the game better we could always make one for new player's

A stranger in a dark hood approaches you would you

1. Stab him in the face
2. Invite him to join you on a mighty quest
3. request he joins you in picking berrys and licking rocks

welcome to Fractured
https://discord.gg/y5MBnpa this is the Fractured discord link if you are interested in joining

Cant wait to try it out, I hope the test lasts more then a few days?

Noticed the lich spider monster!, I hope to one day become a Human Lich, made me hope that Researching a monsters body would be possible, to give hints on how the spider became this way.
Is the forest cursed?
Can a spider make a accidental or intentional choice to become a lich?
is it some big bad necromancer/demon/abomination thats turning wildlife and people alike into undead?

I hope a lich spider , is smarter and has more skills, then basic shambleing Undead.

feel like funding my point habit , may delete later

@Pwnstar the game is buy to play , one off payment and a vip system , no subs, similar to ESO

just do what most mmos do and have free till level 12 (or free for 12 hours) with no shouting or trading, once you upgrade you keep all the work you do