@Gothix said in Power Gap Struggles:

Just one thing to note, about doing stuff in groups.

One player building his home alone will definitely take 10 times longer than 10 players in group building one home. But you must consider that if 10 players will want to build 10 houses (1 for each of them) it will take exact same amount of time, for all of them to get a house finished, as it took a single player to finish his own.

That logic is also flawed. Let's say one player uses 100 hours to build a big house, then 10 players would use 1000 hours for all their big houses, is what you're saying. But no, 10 players focusing the one guys house wouldn't use the same amount of time for each house as one guy solo. So 10 players building one house would be 10 times faster, so 10 hours per house, would build all houses in 100 hours rather than 1 house. So that's the power of cooperation.

This is same as looting. Lets say one player needs 10 boar hooves. and he kills one boar in 1 minute.
He will need 10 minutes to collect.
Group of 10 people collecting for one player will take one minute, to collect 10 hooves for 1 player (each kills one boar in same time), BUT it will also take 10 minutes for all of them to get 10 hooves for themself.

Same here btw, it will take 1 player 10 mins for 10 boar asses, one min each. And 10 mins for all 10 players to get theirs IF all of them essentially solos, killing 1 each as they won't stand around to wait for one to kill a boar so the next person could kill their, they all kill it the same minute. So in one minute they do the quest for 1 player, totalling in on 10 minutes for all to complete it. And that would still be 1 min per player(and if you for some reason add that time, it's 10 minutes, but done in 1 minute per player, really), also that's not true cooperation.. In a sense, they solo-kill boars, but gathers the arses up and gets the job done as a group.

Some quests is kinda pointless cooping or coop-killing in as the group can be too powerful wasting damage, but if they all shoot at the same boar = 10 times more damage, killing a boar in 6 seconds, rather than 60. So 10 boars in 1 minute, making the quest completed for all in 10 minutes, rather than for 1 person. So essentially same time coop-killing as solo-killing boars.

Also, this is all taken as a 100% drop chance. Now what if it isn't? More beneficial as a group killing faster.

AND a group usually has synergies, maybe that gives more damage, CC and healing for survivability. And as you mentioned better protection for PvP, BUT that can lead both ways, if they meet a bigger PvP group or a hungry group decides to get together to get'em etc. More chaotic.

@GamerSeuss You are wrong, in Early Access on Steam the 2 hours doesn't count, even now with their updated policies Reason is that games is in Early Access for years, and then two hours isn't even compareable to how the game will be, right?

But they updated the policies to add the 2 hours to "Advanced Access", which still isn't Early Access. Advanced Access means games with pre-orders that offers headstart.

News is out. And it is indeed bad news..

My condolences, I'm sorry. I don't get how this could even be a topic. Are they this desperate? Gamigo is the one company that has the worst reputation, worse than EA imo. This is really RIP.

@Gothix said in Power Gap Struggles:

Just one thing to note, about doing stuff in groups.

One player building his home alone will definitely take 10 times longer than 10 players in group building one home. But you must consider that if 10 players will want to build 10 houses (1 for each of them) it will take exact same amount of time, for all of them to get a house finished, as it took a single player to finish his own.

That logic is also flawed. Let's say one player uses 100 hours to build a big house, then 10 players would use 1000 hours for all their big houses, is what you're saying. But no, 10 players focusing the one guys house wouldn't use the same amount of time for each house as one guy solo. So 10 players building one house would be 10 times faster, so 10 hours per house, would build all houses in 100 hours rather than 1 house. So that's the power of cooperation.

This is same as looting. Lets say one player needs 10 boar hooves. and he kills one boar in 1 minute.
He will need 10 minutes to collect.
Group of 10 people collecting for one player will take one minute, to collect 10 hooves for 1 player (each kills one boar in same time), BUT it will also take 10 minutes for all of them to get 10 hooves for themself.

Same here btw, it will take 1 player 10 mins for 10 boar asses, one min each. And 10 mins for all 10 players to get theirs IF all of them essentially solos, killing 1 each as they won't stand around to wait for one to kill a boar so the next person could kill their, they all kill it the same minute. So in one minute they do the quest for 1 player, totalling in on 10 minutes for all to complete it. And that would still be 1 min per player(and if you for some reason add that time, it's 10 minutes, but done in 1 minute per player, really), also that's not true cooperation.. In a sense, they solo-kill boars, but gathers the arses up and gets the job done as a group.

Some quests is kinda pointless cooping or coop-killing in as the group can be too powerful wasting damage, but if they all shoot at the same boar = 10 times more damage, killing a boar in 6 seconds, rather than 60. So 10 boars in 1 minute, making the quest completed for all in 10 minutes, rather than for 1 person. So essentially same time coop-killing as solo-killing boars.

Also, this is all taken as a 100% drop chance. Now what if it isn't? More beneficial as a group killing faster.

AND a group usually has synergies, maybe that gives more damage, CC and healing for survivability. And as you mentioned better protection for PvP, BUT that can lead both ways, if they meet a bigger PvP group or a hungry group decides to get together to get'em etc. More chaotic.

Just making this to level up..