Sites, weird, but hopefully I'm posting this in the right place.

I wanted to make a few points because @Prometheus seems incredibly misinformed about what people actually do during an Alpha & what he thinks people actually do, but first I want to address his misconception with what a leader board actually is.

Firstly, you state in your post
@prometheus said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

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The Foundation
The purpose of The Foundation, as stated in its announcement, is to "reward you for doing all the small things that show your interest in Fractured and its success". It's not a competitive thing. The leaderboard is there to allow players to find the most engaged/veteran players and the most active guilds to get in touch with. Nothing is won being top 10 in the leaderboard compared to being rank 2000. The Foundation is going to be eventually phased off during testing.

The Pre-Alpha

Some people might be taking The Foundation in a competitive way because players in the TOP 100 can access the pre-alpha.

So just to start this off.

leaderboard (ˈliːdəˌbɔːd)

(General Sporting Terms) a board displaying the names and current scores of the leading competitors, esp in a golf tournament

Definition of leaderboard

: a large board for displaying the ranking of the leaders in a competitive event (such as a golf tournament)

Already we're changing the meaning of what a leader board is, but regardless because you contradict yourself a few paragraphs in.
If it was just a ranking to allow players to find Veterans, then why is there a reward? A competitive leader board comes with rewards- The whole thing is INHERENTLY competitive. For some reason, you create a leader board & then you explicitly state

Nothing is won being top 10 in the leader board compared to being rank 2000.

Some people might be taking The Foundation in a competitive way because players in the TOP 100 can access the pre-alpha.

Now I don't care what you you continue to do with the leader board- but I can't tolerate bullshit- especially bullshit of this calibre, & I even sense a ban for getting involved but I can already see you enjoy conflict otherwise this thread announcing petty garbage wouldn't exist..

Now continuing onto what you said after

@prometheus said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

The pre-alpha is going to consist of a couple (or more) weeks of hardcore testing. It will allow us to receive important feedback and fix unexpected bugs.

Now I'm not going to argue that there will be a lot of bug reports & definitely "Hardcore testing"- but due to the nature of the game & the fact that you have previously stated that the top 100 can access the pre-alpha you are inherently not picking "The best" for the job, you're creating a competitive atmosphere & hardcore competitors are not there to solely "Test" your game FOR you- now it's clear you understand the distinction, they're here to test the game for "themselves".

This is coming from someone with a background in hardcore gaming & it urkes me because this shouldn't be unknown to a developer, in fact you should know what people are trying to do during your pre-alphas- now obviously I'll state again, not everyone does it, but "Hardcore" players, who are trying to gain an edge, will.
People DO NOT enter your pre-alphas to test, they enter to learn as much as they can, so they have a competitive edge over EVERYONE else, as much as possible in your game. They test & absolutely try & break the shit out of everything, and "Share Nothing", this is the key difference- They don't share information that can give themselves an advantage, wither it's a bug, an exploit- doesn't matter, if it is believed that it is not serious enough to get someone banned it will be utilized, this happens all the damn time in MMOs, it's so common it's stupid, but here you're already breeding the atmosphere & it'll be hit 10 fold with it being a "Hardcore" game..

@prometheus said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

The last thing I enjoy is conflict (besides in-game, in-character conflict) - I dislike that as much as your tone, but I'm an overly tolerant person and I won't give you the pleasure of banning you (yet), which is clearly what you're looking for.

See, one of the reason(and I'm by no means being confrontational here, only explaining myself) why I made my post is because I believe otherwise and the way you handled the situation is the reason for this, I don't think the thread being referenced warranted the time of day, I don't believe you should have even given it notice other than a lock, it was a baseless accusation- possible sure, but not provable from this side of the fence, this is what spurred me to make my post.
I didn't write my response for the reason I'm getting the feeling you think I did, nor was I looking for a ban but from the way you jumped at drama so insignificant I assumed it a possibility.

I thought what I wrote was obvious but perhaps it wasn't & what I wrote was poorly worded, but I by no means believe it's widespread in the sense that this is how 'everyone is', I was referring to those with this mind set, the actual HC audience here to participate in the PVP & the competitive aspects of your game & you'll find no one better at learning it than them, those that dominate the PVP, there are ones that hate PVP but will dominate the market etc.

With that said, I do indeed hope those selected do a job well done- my actual interest concerning the game is to see what happens closer to release & what the end product is like, I've no current interest in playing/testing personally because actual testing is like playing the game at a level I previously mentioned concerning HC & actual HC mindsets, if you really want to find what's broke you must treat the game not only as a hobbie but a job & in it's current state I'd prefer to see where it goes, but do hope it delivers.

@esher said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

@blyndside I don't want to begin a debate, but you said "why is there rewards ? A competitive leaderboard come with rewards". Yes, of course, but only for the bests. Or, in this case, rewards are each 5 levels, you can have rewards as if you're really low in the leaderboard.
After, you talk about them not picking "the bests", but who are the bests ? People who do that everytime or people really involved in this game ? Top 100 people are, I think, people the most active here, and they want to see the game as polished as possible, so they can be "the bests" people because they'll report everything. Why putting everybody in the same basket ? I don't think all players who will enter in the pre-alpha will try to have an advantage over the others. Personnaly, I'll just try to do what I can, we are just here to play.

I understand what you're saying and I believe I said that this doesn't include "all" players(If I did, well whatever I'm not rechecking what I wrote xD) & I don't necessarily disagree with you but- well actually I'll just continue with the discussion I was having the Muker here, this'll be my last as I'm not interested in debating the "maybes".

That score is still influenced heavily by referrals etc & participation in things around the forum- which "all" can participate in.

People that want to gain an advantage, come in all forms- I get what you're saying but the comment appears mute. My statement still holds ground & it was directed at the "Leader board" as a whole being competitive & the fact that it's influenced by competition which Pro~ seemed to want to avoid it being about.

Having a pre conceived notion about what you "believe" will be the case, are very separate things. Again, I'm not saying that those 100 will be all hardcore gamers & I never said it would be or that they will give "No, feedback" but there will be a few, and those people don't share everything, they'll give huge game breakers & things that are possibly bannable - but remember that when faced with the opportunity to win, people don't always do the "right" thing. - I'm not speaking out my ass, I've been in these situations countless times, it might not be this alpha- or next alpha but trust me, no one is thorough like a person wanting to be the best.
We haven't even entered the monetary aspect for some people, which can be a different ballgame entirely, but at this point we're going down a road that will get us no where, what I wanted to say has been said.

Sites, weird, but hopefully I'm posting this in the right place.

I wanted to make a few points because @Prometheus seems incredibly misinformed about what people actually do during an Alpha & what he thinks people actually do, but first I want to address his misconception with what a leader board actually is.

Firstly, you state in your post
@prometheus said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

---

The Foundation
The purpose of The Foundation, as stated in its announcement, is to "reward you for doing all the small things that show your interest in Fractured and its success". It's not a competitive thing. The leaderboard is there to allow players to find the most engaged/veteran players and the most active guilds to get in touch with. Nothing is won being top 10 in the leaderboard compared to being rank 2000. The Foundation is going to be eventually phased off during testing.

The Pre-Alpha

Some people might be taking The Foundation in a competitive way because players in the TOP 100 can access the pre-alpha.

So just to start this off.

leaderboard (ˈliːdəˌbɔːd)

(General Sporting Terms) a board displaying the names and current scores of the leading competitors, esp in a golf tournament

Definition of leaderboard

: a large board for displaying the ranking of the leaders in a competitive event (such as a golf tournament)

Already we're changing the meaning of what a leader board is, but regardless because you contradict yourself a few paragraphs in.
If it was just a ranking to allow players to find Veterans, then why is there a reward? A competitive leader board comes with rewards- The whole thing is INHERENTLY competitive. For some reason, you create a leader board & then you explicitly state

Nothing is won being top 10 in the leader board compared to being rank 2000.

Some people might be taking The Foundation in a competitive way because players in the TOP 100 can access the pre-alpha.

Now I don't care what you you continue to do with the leader board- but I can't tolerate bullshit- especially bullshit of this calibre, & I even sense a ban for getting involved but I can already see you enjoy conflict otherwise this thread announcing petty garbage wouldn't exist..

Now continuing onto what you said after

@prometheus said in Two Words On Reporting, Leaderboards & Pre-Alpha. I'm tired.:

The pre-alpha is going to consist of a couple (or more) weeks of hardcore testing. It will allow us to receive important feedback and fix unexpected bugs.

Now I'm not going to argue that there will be a lot of bug reports & definitely "Hardcore testing"- but due to the nature of the game & the fact that you have previously stated that the top 100 can access the pre-alpha you are inherently not picking "The best" for the job, you're creating a competitive atmosphere & hardcore competitors are not there to solely "Test" your game FOR you- now it's clear you understand the distinction, they're here to test the game for "themselves".

This is coming from someone with a background in hardcore gaming & it urkes me because this shouldn't be unknown to a developer, in fact you should know what people are trying to do during your pre-alphas- now obviously I'll state again, not everyone does it, but "Hardcore" players, who are trying to gain an edge, will.
People DO NOT enter your pre-alphas to test, they enter to learn as much as they can, so they have a competitive edge over EVERYONE else, as much as possible in your game. They test & absolutely try & break the shit out of everything, and "Share Nothing", this is the key difference- They don't share information that can give themselves an advantage, wither it's a bug, an exploit- doesn't matter, if it is believed that it is not serious enough to get someone banned it will be utilized, this happens all the damn time in MMOs, it's so common it's stupid, but here you're already breeding the atmosphere & it'll be hit 10 fold with it being a "Hardcore" game..